In a combative interview with Fox News, Kamala Harris said in the most emphatic terms to date that, if she wins the election, she would pursue an independent presidency that would not be a repeat of President Joe Biden’s nearly four years in office.

Pressed and often interrupted by Bret Baier, the vice president opened up a little more distance from President Biden and defended her position on immigration and border security.

Vice President Kamala Harris has brought her campaign to a place many Democrats have long considered enemy territory.